# Odysseus to AI: Matt Greenwood on the Dev Interrupted Podcast

[Two Sigma](https://yomu.fyi/company/two-sigma) · Emily Majewski · May 27, 2025

**Type:** Explainer

## Summary

Matt Greenwood, Chief Innovation Officer at Two Sigma, outlines strategies for managing technological change, integrating artificial intelligence into systematic investment, and building supportive engineering organizations. Greenwood describes sustained innovation through the S-curve using an epsilon and omega approach, combining small iterative steps with a broad long-term vision. To direct resources amid rapid advances in machine learning and large language models, he presents a functional framework categorizing AI roles into advisory insights, oracle outcome validation, operational task automation, and agentic coordination. This categorization aims to automate routine workflows while keeping human creativity, control, and higher-level thinking at the center of the investment process. Additionally, the organization fosters employee engagement through initiatives such as an internal hacker lab where cross-disciplinary teams build projects ranging from robots to racing simulators.

## Context

Rapid technological advancement in machine learning and artificial intelligence makes it difficult for engineering leaders to strategically allocate resources, sustain innovation across technology cycles, and retain human oversight in investment processes.

## Approach / What changed

Two Sigma uses the epsilon and omega method of combining small iterative steps toward a long-term vision alongside a four-tier framework—advisory, oracle, operational, and agentic—to deploy AI across systematic workflows, while running an internal hacker lab to support continuous learning.

## Takeaways

- Sustained innovation relies on the epsilon and omega approach, which couples small, iterative technical steps with a long-term architectural vision across technological S-curves.
- AI adoption in systematic investment can be structured into four distinct roles: advisory for suggestions, oracle for validation, operational for routine tasks, and agentic for multi-function coordination.
- Internal maker spaces like a hacker lab provide an intellectual outlet for building robots and simulators, helping sustain engineering engagement across changing technology cycles.

**Tags:** [LLMs](https://yomu.fyi/topic/llm), [Machine Learning](https://yomu.fyi/topic/machine-learning)

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